Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

02/25/2005 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
= HB 1 INCREASE AMT OF BASE STUDENT ALLOCATION
Moved CSHB 1(HES) Out of Committee
= HB 30 APPROP: K-12 EDU OPERATING/DEBT EXPENSES
Moved CSHB 30(HES) Out of Committee
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
= HB 135 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS: FAST TRACK
Heard & Held
* HB 134 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS/CBR
Heard & Held
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 25, 2005                                                                                          
                         1:40 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Chenault called the House Finance Committee  meeting                                                                  
 to order at 1:40:48 PM.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                         
 Representative Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                           
 Representative Bill Stoltze, Vice-Chair                                                                                        
 Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                      
 Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                  
 Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                     
 Representative Jim Holm                                                                                                        
 Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                      
 Representative Bruce Weyhrauch                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                    
 Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Cody Rice,  Staff,  Representative  Carl Gatto;  Eddy  Jeans,                                                                  
 Director,   Education   Support   Services,   Department   of                                                                  
 Education  and  Early  Development;  John  Cramer, Director,                                                                   
 Administrative  Services  Division,  Military  and   Veterans                                                                  
 Affairs; Philip Reeves, Assistant Attorney General,  Oil, Gas                                                                  
 and Mining Section, Civil Division, Department of Law;  Susan                                                                  
 Taylor,   Director,    Administrative   Services   Division,                                                                   
 Department  of   Revenue;   Kathryn   Daughhetee,  Director,                                                                   
 Administrative Services  Division,  Department of  Law;  Nico                                                                  
 Bus, Acting  Director, Division  of Administrative Services,                                                                   
 Department  of  Natural   Resources;  Sean  Parnell,   Deputy                                                                  
 Director, Division  of  Oil and  Gas, Department  of  Natural                                                                  
 Resources;  Larry  Meyer,  Deputy  Director,  Tax  Division,                                                                   
 Department of Revenue;  Nancy Slagle,  Director, Division  of                                                                  
 Administrative  Services, Department  of  Transportation  and                                                                  
 Public Facilities; Chris  Christensen, Deputy Administrative                                                                   
 Director, Alaska Court System                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 John Katz,  Director,  State/Federal  Relations  and  Special                                                                  
 Counsel, Washington,  D.C.; John  Norman,  Chair, Alaska  Oil                                                                  
 and  Gas  Conservation  Commission  (AOGCC);  Steve   Porter,                                                                  
 Deputy Commissioner, Department of Revenue; Member,  Stranded                                                                  
 Gas  Negotiating   Team;  Sean   Parnell,  Deputy  Director,                                                                   
 Division of  Oil And  Gas, Department  of Natural Resources;                                                                   
 Barbara Brink, Director,  Public Defender Agency; Josh  Fink,                                                                  
 Public Advocate, Office of Public Advocacy                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 SUMMARY                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 HB 1      "An Act relating to the base student allocation                                                                      
           used in  the formula  for state  funding of  public                                                                  
           education; and providing for an effective date."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
           CSHB 1 (HES) was REPORTED out of Committee with a                                                                    
           "do pass" recommendation,  and with two new  fiscal                                                                  
           notes by  the  Department  of Education  and  Early                                                                  
           Development, and a new fiscal note by Military  and                                                                  
           Veterans Affairs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 HB 30     "An Act making appropriations for K-12 education                                                                     
           operating and school  debt expenses; and providing                                                                   
           for an effective date."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
           CSHB 30 (HES) was REPORTED out of Committee with a                                                                   
           "do pass" recommendation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 HB 134    "An Act  making  supplemental, capital,  and  other                                                                  
           appropriations,  and   reappropriations;   amending                                                                  
           appropriations;    making     appropriations     to                                                                  
           capitalize  funds; making  an  appropriation  under                                                                  
           art. IX, sec. 17(c),  Constitution of the State  of                                                                  
           Alaska,  from  the  constitutional  budget  reserve                                                                  
           fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
           HB 134 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                   
           consideration.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 HB 135    "An   Act   making  supplemental   appropriations,                                                                   
           capital appropriations,  other appropriations,  and                                                                  
           reappropriations; amending  appropriations;  making                                                                  
           appropriations to  capitalize funds; and providing                                                                   
           for an effective date."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
           HB 135 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                   
           consideration.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 1:40:59 PM                                                                                                                   
 HOUSE BILL NO. 1                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      "An Act relating to the base student allocation used in                                                                   
      the formula for state funding of public education; and                                                                    
      providing for an effective date."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Meyer announced that HB  1 and HB 30 would be  taken                                                                  
 up first, followed by HB 135 and HB 134.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 CODY RICE,  STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE  CARL  GATTO,  offered  to                                                                  
 answer questions about HB 1.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Meyer related that  the base student allocation  for                                                                  
 HB is $4,919, which is  an increase of $70,089,500 over  last                                                                  
 year.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 EDDY JEANS, DIRECTOR, EDUCATION SUPPORT SERVICES, DEPARTMENT                                                                   
 OF  EDUCATION  AND  EARLY  DEVELOPMENT,  explained  that  the                                                                  
 $4,919 increase  is a  $343 increase  per student  over  last                                                                  
 year  and  an  $8  million   increase  over  the  Governor's                                                                   
 proposal.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Meyer shared  that he would like  to see the  amount                                                                  
 higher, and noted  that there  was a great  deal of  previous                                                                  
 testimony to  that effect.   He  pointed out  that there  are                                                                  
 several issues,  PERS/TRS,  and the  recently  released  cost                                                                  
 differential study,  which  could impact  education  funding.                                                                  
 He stated a preference to  move the bill so that there  could                                                                  
 be early funding for school districts.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 1:45:28 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Foster  MOVED to  report CSHB (HES)  1 out  of                                                                  
 Committee with the  accompanying fiscal  notes.  There  being                                                                  
 NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 CSHB 1 (HES) was REPORTED  out of Committee with a "do  pass"                                                                  
 recommendation,  and  with  two  new  fiscal  notes   by  the                                                                  
 Department of  Education  and Early  Development, and  a  new                                                                  
 fiscal note by Military and Veterans Affairs.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 HOUSE BILL NO. 30                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      "An Act making appropriations for K-12 education                                                                          
      operating and school debt expenses; and providing for                                                                     
      an effective date."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Foster MOVED  to report CSHB  30 (HES) out  of                                                                  
 Committee.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 CSHB 30 (HES) was REPORTED out of Committee with a "do  pass"                                                                  
 recommendation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 1:46:34 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 At ease.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 1:49:03 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 HOUSE BILL NO. 135                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      "An  Act making  supplemental  appropriations,   capital                                                                  
      appropriations,      other      appropriations,      and                                                                  
      reappropriations;   amending   appropriations;    making                                                                  
      appropriations to  capitalize funds;  and providing  for                                                                  
      an effective date."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 FUND CAPITALIZATION                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Section 6(b) Disaster Relief Fund                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Base  capitalization  of  fund  $1,000.0;  2004   Bering                                                                  
      Strait   Sea   Storm   $4,054.4;  Interior   Earthquake                                                                   
      shortfall $259.3; and Kaktovik Winter Storm $2,363.5                                                                      
                                                  $7,677.2 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 JOHN  CRAMER, DIRECTOR,  ADMINISTRATIVE   SERVICES DIVISION,                                                                   
 MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS, reviewed the expenses  related                                                                  
 to disaster relief.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Holm asked if  $259.3 is for Northway  airport                                                                  
 resurfacing.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Cramer  replied  that  is correct.    He  explained  that                                                                  
 expenses for two airports had been disallowed earlier  by the                                                                  
 Federal Government.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Holm  asked  if all  federal  emergency  funds                                                                  
 have been received.  Mr. Cramer said he believes so.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Hawker  inquired  if  the  amounts   for  the                                                                  
 projects are final  numbers.    Mr. Cramer  related that  the                                                                  
 information   is   still   being   gathered   for  Kaktovik.                                                                   
 Representative Hawker wondered  if $1,000.0 is enough to  pay                                                                  
 remaining claims on known disasters.  Mr. Cramer stated  that                                                                  
 the fund  is  becoming depleted  and  the unknown  of  spring                                                                  
 flooding remains.   In  response  to further  questioning  by                                                                  
 Representative Hawker,  Mr. Cramer  replied  that he  thought                                                                  
 the amounts requested are adequate.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 1:53:25 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Section 11 National Guard Military Headquarters                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      National Guard Audit Disallowance - Federal auditors                                                                      
      have disallowed state expenditures in FFY05 for  a total                                                                  
      of $937,234.   This request will  cover October 2004  to                                                                  
      June 2005.   An amendment  will be offered in the FY  06                                                                  
      budget to cover these expenditures for the remainder  of                                                                  
      FFY05 and  FFY06.   The department  estimates they  will                                                                  
      run out of general funds by the end of March.                                                                             
                                                    $446.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Cramer  related that  the  National Guard  recently  went                                                                  
 through  an  audit  and   several  state  expenditures   were                                                                  
 disallowed.   Currently,  general  funds are  being  used  to                                                                  
 augment costs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Holm   asked   why  the   expenditures   were                                                                  
 disallowed.    Mr.   Cramer  replied   that  for  years   the                                                                  
 Department of Military and Veterans Affairs has entered  into                                                                  
 agreements with the  Federal Government  to provide services                                                                   
 for National  Guard programs.    This August  auditors  found                                                                  
 nearly a million dollars  in costs that were inappropriately                                                                   
 charged  to  federal  programs.     He  listed  examples   of                                                                  
 inappropriate personnel costs.  Representative Holm  asked if                                                                  
 these  costs  would  now  be  in the  general  appropriation                                                                   
 budget.  Mr. Cramer said that is correct.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Vice-Chair  Stoltze   asked   if  requests   regarding   game                                                                  
 management  would  meet  federal  requirements.  Mr.   Cramer                                                                  
 replied yes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 1:56:33 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Section 10(a) Criminal Appeals/Special Litigation Component                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Outside counsel for appeal costs in the Murtaugh case                                                                     
      related to defense of victim's rights; FY06 lapse date                                                                    
                                                     $50.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 SUSAN PARKES,  DEPUTY  ATTORNEY GENERAL,  CRIMINAL DIVISION,                                                                   
 DEPARTMENT OF  LAW, explained  that the  Murtaugh  case is  a                                                                  
 class action lawsuit that deals  with part of a statute  that                                                                  
 requires defense  attorneys to notify  victims and witnesses                                                                   
 that their statements are  being recorded and that they  have                                                                  
 a right to  a copy of  the recording.   The argument is  that                                                                  
 this is unconstitutional.  She reported that it is a  complex                                                                  
 case and the legislature hired outside council for $175,000.                                                                   
 The case ended up going to the Supreme Court, which  resulted                                                                  
 in higher costs that this appropriation would cover.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                st                                                                                                              
 Section 10(b) 1 Judicial District                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Contractual costs for a prosecutor to represent the                                                                       
      Department of Law in the Therapeutic Courts program.                                                                      
                                                   $21.4 SDPR                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Parks explained that this  is a request for authority  to                                                                  
 receive and  expend statutory designated  programs receipts.                                                                   
 The Juneau affiliate  of the National  Counsel on Alcoholism                                                                   
 and Drug Dependence received  a grant from the Department  of                                                                  
 Transportation  to  start  a  Wellness  Court.    The  amount                                                                  
 requested would go  to hire a contract  prosecutor to  handle                                                                  
 wellness cases.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 2:03:15 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Section 8 Arctic National Wildlife Refuge                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      Funds for support of national efforts to open ANWR for                                                                    
      oil and gas exploration and development                                                                                   
                                                    $500.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 JOHN KATZ,  DIRECTOR,  STATE/FEDERAL  RELATIONS  AND  SPECIAL                                                                  
 COUNSEL, WASHINGTON,  D.C.,  (via teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                  
 support of the appropriation to open ANWAR and in support  of                                                                  
 Arctic Power.   He opined that this  is the best opportunity                                                                   
 to open ANWAR  to responsible development  since the  Clinton                                                                  
 administration.   He referred to  the first  of two  vehicles                                                                  
 for opening ANWAR, budget reconciliation.  The congressional                                                                   
 leadership  recently  announced   an  intention  to  try   to                                                                  
                                             th                                                                                 
 conclude budget reconciliation by the July 4  recess,  and to                                                                  
 include ANWAR  in the budget  package.   In two  of the  last                                                                  
 three   years,   Congress   has   failed   to   pass   budget                                                                  
 reconciliation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Katz  explained that  the second  legislative vehicle  is                                                                  
 comprehensive  energy   legislation.     Last   year   energy                                                                  
 legislation faltered  in the  last days  of  Congress.   This                                                                  
 year an energy bill could  be subject to a filibuster in  the                                                                  
 Senate.  The preferred alternative is budget reconciliation,                                                                   
 which is leadership driven and not subject to a filibuster.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Mr.  Katz  supported  the   continuation  of  Arctic   Power,                                                                  
 speculating that  if  there were  not  an entity  like  Artic                                                                  
 Power, one  would have  to  be created.   He  explained  that                                                                  
 Arctic Power  should  have the  flexibility  that government                                                                   
 sometimes does not have,  to implement a multifaceted  public                                                                  
 policy  advocacy of  position.    In  August  the governor's                                                                   
 office took direct control of ANWAR funding, which lead  to a                                                                  
 contract between  the  state  and  Arctic Power.    He  noted                                                                  
 several changes requested of Artic Power: transfer resources                                                                   
 and  staff   to  Washington,   D.C.,  hire   new  staff   and                                                                  
 professional   services,   and   improve   coordination   and                                                                  
 communication with  the Congressional delegation.   Mr.  Katz                                                                  
 pointed out  that Artic  Power has made  significant  strides                                                                  
 toward improving their  efforts. They are  in the process  of                                                                  
 transferring staff to Washington,  D.C., have recently  hired                                                                  
 new people, and are now consulting much better.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Mr.  Katz  recommended  a   two-step  approach  to   funding.                                                                  
 Appropriate  funds now  in  the  supplemental  budget,  which                                                                  
                                                             th                                                                 
 should be enough to get the effort through until the  July 4                                                                   
 recess or  the  August recess.    Later  in the  session  the                                                                  
 legislature will  be in  a better  position  to proceed,  and                                                                  
 will have had an opportunity to observe Artic Power.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 2:11:41 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Weyhrauch  agreed with  the general strategic                                                                   
 approach to the use of the  funds.  He asked if the money  is                                                                  
 intended  to  be  used  in  Washington,  D.C.  to re-educate                                                                   
 undecided Senators and  Legislators.   Mr. Katz replied  yes,                                                                  
 but, at  the moment,  the Congressional  delegation wants  to                                                                  
 limit advocacy  activities  in  the  Senate  and concentrate                                                                   
 efforts in the House.   Arctic Power also reaches out  beyond                                                                  
 the capitol to target groups, organizations, and states.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Weyhrauch asked if it is the intention  of the                                                                  
 administration to eliminate  the Anchorage office.  Mr.  Katz                                                                  
 said that  is  under  discussion.   He  maintained  that  the                                                                  
 Governor's view is  that there should  be a limited  presence                                                                  
 in Anchorage to disseminate information, raise funds,  and do                                                                  
 the accounting,  but  the  current  presence  is  too  large.                                                                  
 Resources should be sent  to Washington where the work  would                                                                  
 do the most good.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 2:16:23 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7(a) Capital                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      AOGCC costs for gas pipeline reservoir studies and                                                                        
      depletion plan evaluations.                                                                                               
                                                  $1,200.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 STEVE PORTER,  DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF  REVENUE;                                                                  
 MEMBER,  STRANDED   GAS  NEGOTIATING   TEAM,  testified   via                                                                  
 teleconference in support of  the legislation. He noted  that                                                                  
 getting Alaska's  stranded  gas to  market  is every  bit  as                                                                  
 large a project  as anyone  estimated it to  be. Total  sales                                                                  
 value of just  the proven  North Slope  natural gas  reserves                                                                  
 would be $210  billion at  a price of  $6/mmcfg. He  observed                                                                  
 that the department researched  ways to enhance the  prospect                                                                  
 of bringing  Alaska North Slope  gas to  market. The  primary                                                                  
 areas of research  centered on sharing  risk through  various                                                                  
 financial  structures  and  different  levels  and  types  of                                                                  
 ownership participation. The general areas of research  were:                                                                  
 gas  price,  risk   analysis,  cost   overrun  risk,   tariff                                                                  
 structure  and  FERC  process,   Alaska  State  Gas   Entity,                                                                  
 pipeline  funding,  socio-economic  report,  Canada  pipeline                                                                  
 issues,  and  understating  the  applicant's  perspective  on                                                                  
 economics.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Mr.  Porter   discussed  forms   of  support   used  in   the                                                                  
 negotiations. The department contracted for and continues  to                                                                  
 use the expertise  of Dr. Pedro  Van Meurs  and his team  for                                                                  
 the actual negotiations. The department also uses analytical                                                                   
 experts to fine-tune  their negotiating  position in each  of                                                                  
 the contract  negotiations. He  emphasized  that each  side's                                                                  
 lawyers are  regular  participants  in the  negotiations  and                                                                  
 indicated that he expects legal support to increase.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Porter  noted that the  department is  also working  with                                                                  
 the Alberta Government:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      While we are negotiating  with the applicants under  the                                                                  
      SGDA, we also have a responsibility as the sovereign  of                                                                  
      encouraging and supporting  any other proposal that  may                                                                  
      bring  Alaska   North   Slope   Gas  to   market.   That                                                                  
      encouragement and support  generally has taken the  form                                                                  
      of economic evaluation and analysis and feedback  to the                                                                  
      parties to  help  them move  their projects  forward.  A                                                                  
      good example of this support is the Alaska Gasline  Port                                                                  
      Authority proposal. We have volunteered to review  their                                                                  
      project proposal and give  them feedback on the  overall                                                                  
      economics  of their  proposal  as well  as  express  any                                                                  
      concerns we  have with  the overall  viability of  their                                                                  
      project.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Porter discussed reimbursement:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        One of  the goals of  the State  was to  make sure  we                                                                  
        received the  maximum  amount  we could  from  project                                                                  
        applicants under the  reimbursement provisions of  the                                                                  
        SGDAT We  billed and  received in  reimbursement  from                                                                  
        ExxonMobil/ConoeoPhillips/BP   the   maximum    amount                                                                  
        available under  the Act  of $1.5  million. The  state                                                                  
        continues to  be reimbursed also  by Transcanada,  and                                                                  
        Department  of  Natural  Resources  is  tracking  that                                                                  
        reimbursement.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Porter observed that the  state has placed a proposal  on                                                                  
 the table  in the  Exxon/ConocoPhillips/BP  negotiations  and                                                                  
 received a  counter proposal  from  them. The  department  is                                                                  
 also developing a  proposal with TransCanada.  Each of  these                                                                  
 negotiations will  require a  substantial amount  of work  to                                                                  
 bring a SODA contract to the legislature.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      "The   current   activities   in   support   of    these                                                                  
      negotiations will include  substantial legal support  in                                                                  
      negotiating the  fiscal contracts  and other associated                                                                   
      contracts and  exhibits necessary  to  bring a  contract                                                                  
      proposal to the legislature. In addition each variation                                                                   
      of  fiscal  term  negotiations  may require  additional                                                                   
      analytical support from our contractors."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Porter explained that once the Administration has a                                                                         
contract  to present  to the  legislature  they will  need  to                                                                  
prepare a commissioner's  finding that the contract is in  the                                                                  
fiscal interests  of the state. This  finding will go out  for                                                                  
a  30-day  public  comment  period  along  with  the proposed                                                                   
contract.  The  Commissioner   will  then  respond  to   those                                                                  
comments and  bring the final fiscal  finding and contract  to                                                                  
the  legislature  for ratification.  The  process  may  entail                                                                  
going  back  to  the   applicant  for  a  refinement  of   the                                                                  
agreement.  The supplemental  request  would  provide  funding                                                                  
for this process.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Porter observed that if the state is successful and                                                                         
decides  to take  an ownership  interest  in the  pipeline  it                                                                  
could  almost immediately  be  in a  partnership relationship                                                                   
with  an  applicant   attempting  to  build  a  pipeline.   He                                                                  
emphasized  that state  representatives need  to  be ready  to                                                                  
make financial  and other decisions  in order to be effective                                                                   
in the new  entity. He stressed the  need to move the  project                                                                  
forward  and  observed   that  the  requested  funding   would                                                                  
develop the state  organization that will need to be in  place                                                                  
almost immediately upon ratification of any contract.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Porter  noted  that capital  funding  of state  gas  line                                                                  
 participation  cannot  be   determined  at  this  time.   The                                                                  
 department  will  come  back   to  the  legislature  when   a                                                                  
 determination is made regarding  the type and level of  state                                                                  
 participation in a gas pipeline.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 2:25:11 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 JOHN  NORMAN,  CHAIR,   ALASKA  OIL   AND  GAS  CONSERVATION                                                                   
 COMMISSION (AOGCC), (via  teleconference), reported that  the                                                                  
 purpose  of the  $1,200  million  request  is  to  study  the                                                                  
 [Prudhoe Bay]  reservoir,  and  to  be sure  that  AOGCC  can                                                                  
 complete its  work in a  timely manner.   Conservation  order                                                                  
 number  341,  which  establishes  an  off-take  rate  of  2.7                                                                  
 billion cubic feet  per day from  the Prudhoe Bay reservoir,                                                                   
 is currently in effect.  The  order is based on a study  done                                                                  
 in 1977.  Mr. Norman offered  to provide a copy of the  order                                                                  
 and the report.  He quoted  from the report, "The numbers  in                                                                  
 this  report  should  be considered   relative,  rather  than                                                                  
 absolute.   Reservoir  performance  productions  on  a  field                                                                  
 without production history are approximate, at best."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Norman explained that since 1977, AOGCC has continued  to                                                                  
 monitor and regulate  oil production  in the re-injection  of                                                                  
 gas in  a way that  would maximize  oil  production from  the                                                                  
 reservoir.   AOGCC has not  undertaken to  update that  order                                                                  
 until now, when it appears that prospects of major gas  sales                                                                  
 from that reservoir  might be imminent.  Mr. Norman spoke  of                                                                  
 production history and  the ability to  predict the  behavior                                                                  
 of the reservoir.  He spoke  of the risks when failing to  do                                                                  
 so and  the  amount  of the  oil  that  would be  lost.    He                                                                  
 stressed the  need  to begin  to  move forward,  using  sound                                                                  
 science to develop the reservoir in a responsible way.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Norman requested that the supplemental funds be  provided                                                                  
 in a timely  manner from  general funds.   He explained  that                                                                  
 AOGCC's budget  is mainly  based on  production levels.  This                                                                  
 particular undertaking is significant because it targets  one                                                                  
 reservoir owned by three companies.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 2:33:08 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7(b) Civil Division, Oil, Gas and Mining                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Legal costs for work related to the state gas pipeline                                                                    
      and to bringing North Slope natural gas to market, and                                                                    
      other oil and gas projects for FY05 and FY06.                                                                             
                                                  $9,000.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 PHILIP REEVES,  ASSISTANT  ATTORNEY  GENERAL,  OIL,  GAS  AND                                                                  
 MINING SECTION, CIVIL DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF LAW, explained                                                                   
 that the  Department of  Law is  dependent on  a substantial                                                                   
 amount of assistance  from outside legal  council in the  on-                                                                  
 going negotiations  regarding construction of  a natural  gas                                                                  
 pipeline  from  the  North  Slope.  The  State  is  currently                                                                  
 involved in two parallel negotiations under the Stranded  Gas                                                                  
 Act (AS 43.82).  Both  Stranded Gas negotiations contemplate                                                                   
 the State's participation in the pipeline project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Mr.  Reeves   related  that   the  State   is  drafting   and                                                                  
 negotiating terms of several  legal agreements that would  be                                                                  
 required for  participation  as  a partner  in  the  pipeline                                                                  
 project.  Individual  agreements include:   the Stranded  Gas                                                                  
 Agreement; a Business Entity  Agreement; a Project Financing                                                                   
 Agreement; a Construction Agreement; an Operating Agreement;                                                                   
 and a Gas Balancing  Agreement.   The Stranded Gas Agreement                                                                   
 and the Business  Entity Agreement are  the current focus  of                                                                  
 intensive contract development work and negotiations.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Mr.  Reeves  emphasized   the  necessity  for  "Fast   Track"                                                                  
 supplemental funding.    The Department  of Law  has  already                                                                  
 expended essentially its entire  Oil & Gas contract  services                                                                  
 appropriation for  FY 04 -  FY 05, due  to the unanticipated                                                                   
 additional   work   arising   from   participation   in   two                                                                  
 simultaneous Stranded Gas negotiations; and consideration  of                                                                  
 State partnership in  the North Slope  gas pipeline  project,                                                                  
 which necessitates  development of  the Business  Entity  and                                                                  
 Financing Agreements.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Early expenditure  of  contract  services  appropriation  for                                                                  
 work on  the  North  Slope gas  pipeline  has  also  depleted                                                                  
 contract funds in the  Department's FY05 budget request  that                                                                  
 were earmarked for  use on other  non-gas pipeline projects.                                                                   
 Those contract  services  funds  - utilized  on  oil  royalty                                                                  
 reopeners, TAPS  oil pipeline  matters, and  Cook Inlet  area                                                                  
 gas pipeline matters - also  need to be supplemented in  this                                                                  
 fiscal year.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Reeves  concluded that the  Department of  Law has  asked                                                                  
 for a  fast-track supplemental  appropriation  of $9  million                                                                  
 for contract  legal services through  June 30,  2006.   While                                                                  
 the Department prefers to receive the full $9 million  amount                                                                  
 in this supplemental appropriation,  it would be possible  to                                                                  
 split the  appropriation between  FY 05  and FY  06, with  $5                                                                  
 million  in   the  fast-track  supplemental   available   for                                                                  
 expenditure in FY 05.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 In response to  a question by  Representative Weyhrauch,  Mr.                                                                  
 Reeves  said  that  firms  are  paid  on  an  hourly   basis.                                                                  
 Representative  Weyhrauch   asked  how   much  lobbyists   in                                                                  
 Washington, D.C.  are paid.   Mr.  Reeves replied  that  they                                                                  
 have extended contracts for  legal services when negotiating                                                                   
 for gas pipeline contracts.   Representative Weyhrauch  asked                                                                  
 how many Alaska  firms would  be hired.   Mr. Reeves  replied                                                                  
 that there is  one Alaska  firm and two  outside firms  under                                                                  
 contract.   As  additional  agreements come  up,  more  firms                                                                  
 could be considered.   Representative  Weyhrauch inquired  if                                                                  
 there would  be  competitive bidding  for  those jobs.    Mr.                                                                  
 Reeves  replied that  he  does  not  believe  it  involves  a                                                                  
 bidding process.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 2:38:04 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 In response  to  a question  by  Representative  Hawker,  Mr.                                                                  
 Reeves explained that the focus of the negotiations  with the                                                                  
 business  entity  agreement  would  be  a limited  liability                                                                   
 partnership.  Representative  Hawker asked if the funding  is                                                                  
 strictly for Stranded Gas  applications.  Mr. Reeves  replied                                                                  
 that at this time there  are two parallel negotiations  going                                                                  
 on, and this  fund source would be  available for additional                                                                   
 applicants, if additional projects are considered.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft  expressed surprise at  the request  for                                                                  
 funds for the FY 06 budget.  He asked if $5 million  is truly                                                                  
 a supplemental request  for FY 05 and  $4 million is for  the                                                                  
 FY 06  budget.   Mr. Reeves  related that  the  focus of  the                                                                  
 Stranded Act Working Group  is a project that does not  track                                                                  
 with a fiscal year.   Several more  projects will be  brought                                                                  
 before the legislature this Session.  He maintained  that the                                                                  
 majority of  the $9  million would  be expended  this  fiscal                                                                  
 year;  however,   it  is  questionable   whether  the   legal                                                                  
 contracts can be completed this year.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft inquired if any of the funds are  needed                                                                  
 for tariff negotiations  or other oil and  gas issues, or  if                                                                  
 these are just "gas pipeline  lawyers".  Mr. Reeves  repeated                                                                  
 that there are tariff  matters before regulatory bodies  that                                                                  
 also have  received money  earmarked for  the  FY 05  budget.                                                                  
 Those monies  have been  expended, have  been  moved over  to                                                                  
 North Slope gas pipeline  negotiations at this time, and  now                                                                  
 need to be replenished out of the requested funds.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft  questioned how much  is needed for  gas                                                                  
 pipeline  costs   and   how  much   is  needed   for   tariff                                                                  
 negotiations.   He suggested  waiting for  the "reopener"  on                                                                  
 the tariff issue.  He further  inquired how much would go  to                                                                  
 replenishing  other  non-gas  pipeline  expenditures.     Mr.                                                                  
 Reeves replied that  he does not  have specific numbers,  but                                                                  
 that it is his understanding  that there is not an intent  to                                                                  
 expend any  of the  money beyond  the amounts  earmarked  for                                                                  
 particular matters.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 SUSAN TAYLOR,  DIRECTOR,  ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES DIVISION,                                                                   
 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, in response to Representative  Croft's                                                                  
 question,  recalled  that  non-gas  pipeline  matters   would                                                                  
 amount  to  $350,000.     She  suggested   that  Mr.   Porter                                                                  
 elaborate.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 2:44:41 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Porter, in response  to Representative Croft's  question,                                                                  
 pointed out  that there  are a  number of  elements that  are                                                                  
 being negotiated at the  same time, and a substantial  amount                                                                  
 of money  can be  spent  in a  short amount  of time  if  the                                                                  
 negotiations are going well.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft  asked how  much of the  $5 million  has                                                                  
 actually been  "signed  off" to  pay  somebody.   Mr.  Reeves                                                                  
 replied that  a large part  of the  money would  be used  for                                                                  
 work to be completed between now and June 30.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 2:47:19 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 KATHRYN   DAUGHHETEE,   DIRECTOR,  ADMINISTRATIVE    SERVICES                                                                  
 DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT   OF  LAW,   addressed  Representative                                                                   
 Croft's question.  She anticipated that the Department  would                                                                  
 not be able to  pay the contracted  bills that are coming  in                                                                  
 now, and  would  be  out of  money  by  April.   The  fee  is                                                                  
 entirely for  outside  experts,  attorneys and  firms.    She                                                                  
 stated that they do  not want the State  to be in a  position                                                                  
 to be unable to pay bills  and that is why the request  is on                                                                  
 fast track.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft stated that $5 million in attorney  fees                                                                  
 would be paid out  in the next four  months.  Ms. Daughhetee                                                                   
 replied that is correct.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 2:49:00 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Chenault  asked how many  of the  services would  be                                                                  
 duplicated because  of the  two on-going  negotiations.   Mr.                                                                  
 Porter responded  that  there  are  duplication  issues,  but                                                                  
 expertise from lawyers has been utilized resulting in  little                                                                  
 duplication.  The Stranded Gas team is small and is  familiar                                                                  
 with the needs  of both negotiations,  so there  is a lot  of                                                                  
 coordination between the two groups.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 2:50:33 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7(c)(1) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Gas pipeline risk analysis and royalty issues                                                                             
                                                  $2,500.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 NICO  BUS,  ACTING  DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF  ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                   
 SERVICES, DEPARTMENT  OF  NATURAL  RESOURCES,  explained  the                                                                  
 economic issues  related  to the  request for  an additional                                                                   
 $2.5 million  dollars:   $1  million  is requested  for  risk                                                                  
 analysis  contractual  money  to  assist  in  mitigating  the                                                                  
 state's capacity ownership  risk;  $1.5 million is  requested                                                                  
 for additional work on royalty issues such as the conversion                                                                   
 of net profit  shares to  a fixed or  sliding scale  royalty.                                                                  
 He emphasized  that  the  monies  are  needed  right  now  to                                                                  
 continue the work until June 30.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7(c)(2) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Gas pipeline corridor geologic hazards and resource                                                                       
      evaluation                                                                                                                
                                                  $2,000.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Bus  noted that  the request  would allow  people in  the                                                                  
 field right  now  to  evaluate  geological  hazards,  mineral                                                                  
 potential, and  construction materials  resources from  Delta                                                                  
 Junction to  the Canadian  border.   He stressed  that it  is                                                                  
 very important for  future development  such as the  proposed                                                                  
 Alaska Railroad extension along  this corridor.  Some of  the                                                                  
 products will be: peer-reviewed  geologic reports, maps,  and                                                                  
 GIS data for a 10-mile wide corridor, and detailed airborne-                                                                   
 geophysical surveys of  a wider corridor  to aid the  mapping                                                                  
 of bedrock  geology, active  faults, and  mineralized  areas.                                                                  
 He requested  a  fast track  supplemental  so that  work  can                                                                  
 begin and  in order  to take  advantage of  the summer  field                                                                  
 season.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Chenault  asked  if  the  work  would  be  extended                                                                  
 through June 30 into FY 06.   Mr. Bus replied that the  first                                                                  
 $2 million would be for the contractors to fly the corridor,                                                                   
 and an  additional $4  million would  be used  in subsequent                                                                   
 years.   If  approval was  given  in March,  the contractors                                                                   
 could begin in April and May of this year.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 In response to  Representatives Croft  and Chenault, Mr.  Bus                                                                  
 noted that it  is an expensive corridor  from Delta  Junction                                                                  
 to the Canadian border and is strictly for the gas pipeline,                                                                   
 not mining projects.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 2:55:02 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7(c)(3) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Gas pipeline Bullen Point Road right-of-way permitting                                                                    
                                                 $3,200.0 GF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Bus commented  that this  amount is  for pipelines  along                                                                  
 the Dalton Highway to Bullen Point.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Chenault  expressed  concern  about  appropriating                                                                   
 money without having an RFP.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft  asked how long  the right-of-way  would                                                                  
 be.    Mr. Bus  said  fifty  miles.    Representative   Croft                                                                  
 inquired  why it  costs  so  much  to  permit  such  a  small                                                                  
 section.   Mr.  Bus  explained  that the  area  is  from  the                                                                  
 Prudhoe Bay field into existing  pipeline corridors - for  50                                                                  
 miles  of permitting  from  Point  Thomson  to  Prudhoe  Bay.                                                                  
 Representative Croft asked if this is vital for the  gas line                                                                  
 itself, or only if the Point Thomson benchmarks are hit.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 SEAN PARNELL,  DEPUTY  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF OIL  AND  GAS,                                                                  
 DEPARTMENT  OF  NATURAL  RESOURCES,  replied  that  he  would                                                                  
 obtain that information.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 2:58:58 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7(c)(4) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Division of Oil and Gas increased workload for gas                                                                        
      pipeline                                                                                                                  
                                                  $2,700.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Parnell  explained  that recently  three  companies  have                                                                  
 requested analysis  from  the department,  which  is  already                                                                  
 overburdened from work on  gas pipeline issues.  He  reported                                                                  
 that the  reason the  supplemental amount  is  needed now  is                                                                  
 because of staff burnout and  high turnover rate.  The  money                                                                  
 would be used to hire new staff for reservoir evaluation  and                                                                  
 modeling, and  for commercial  and  regulatory work  to  keep                                                                  
 revenues  flowing into  the  state,  and  to  allow  resource                                                                  
 development to occur in a timely fashion.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Hawker wondered whether it would be necessary                                                                   
 to go  nationwide  to  fill these  positions.    Mr.  Parnell                                                                  
 replied that  the  department  would  be able  to  attract  a                                                                  
 significant percentage  from the  private  sector in  Alaska.                                                                  
 Representative Hawker suggested contracting with the  private                                                                  
 sector rather  than  hiring  state employees.    Mr.  Parnell                                                                  
 opined that it would be difficult  to find new talent in  the                                                                  
 contracting community  because there  would  be conflicts  of                                                                  
 interest.  He pointed out that contract money is included  in                                                                  
 the $2.5  million  request  for  risk  analysis  and  royalty                                                                  
 money.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 3:03:52 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7(c)(5) Capital                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Commissioner's Office increased workload for gas                                                                          
      pipeline                                                                                                                  
                                                   $200.0 GF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Bus explained  the need to hire  two project assistants,                                                                   
 one for actual gas pipeline negotiation support, and  one for                                                                  
 planning and  logistical  support of  negotiations,  for  the                                                                  
 balance of this year and through FY 06.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Kelly  asked  if the  positions are  lined  up                                                                  
 with positions in the FY  06 budget.  Mr. Bus explained  that                                                                  
 they are not in  the FY 06 request and  they need to be  kept                                                                  
 separate  because  the  department  does  not  want   to  mix                                                                  
 operating   budget   regular   staff   with   this   request.                                                                  
 Representative Kelly inquired if these positions would  be in                                                                  
 the supplemental request  for 06.  Mr.  Bus replied they  are                                                                  
 not.   These  positions  are  specific  positions  needed  to                                                                  
 negotiate for gas funded through FY 06.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 3:06:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7(d) Capital                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Commissioner's Office - Work related to the state gas                                                                     
      pipeline and to bringing North Slope natural gas to                                                                       
      market                                                                                                                    
                                              $5,300.0 GF                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Taylor  explained  that  these expenses  are  related  to                                                                  
 setting  up  the  Alaska   Natural  Gas  Entity  (ANGE)   and                                                                  
 contractual funding.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft asked if the money would be used  to set                                                                  
 up the  corporation.   Ms.  Taylor  replied that  the  timing                                                                  
 would require quick hiring of key people.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Mr.  Porter  further  explained  that  as negotiations   move                                                                  
 forward, there  are a  limited number  of personnel  tracking                                                                  
 all the  various portions  of the  negotiations.   A team  of                                                                  
 individuals is needed to participate in the evaluation  phase                                                                  
 of how to  develop an  Alaskan entity.   Staff and personnel                                                                   
 are needed now  to begin to  do that and  to move forward  in                                                                  
 the event that a  stranded gas contract  is awarded.  If  the                                                                  
 contract were approved by the legislature in early summer,  a                                                                  
 fully staffed  organization would  be needed on  the day  the                                                                  
 contract is ratified.   In advance of  that day, there  would                                                                  
 be a  limited team  in  place to  negotiate elements  of  the                                                                  
 contract.  Twelve  positions would be  fully funded prior  to                                                                  
 the end  of  FY 05,  and  a portion  of  that team  would  be                                                                  
 brought on for negotiation support to develop ANGE.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft  opined that  twelve positions  couldn't                                                                  
 cost $5.3 million.   Mr.  Porter clarified that  the cost  is                                                                  
 $1.5 million for  ANGE.   The rest would  be for negotiation                                                                   
 support, not staff,  but contract support  and evaluation  of                                                                  
 other projects.  He listed  other uses for the money such  as                                                                  
 to resolve property tax  issues, corporate income tax  issues                                                                  
 and other upstream items,  to resolve production tax  issues,                                                                  
 and to address financing participation issues.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Croft wondered  if the $9 million for  lawyers                                                                  
 or the  $10 million going  to DNR  pays any  of those  costs.                                                                  
 Mr. Porter suggested that  Representative Croft think of  the                                                                  
 lawyers as drafting contracts;  legal and technical sides  of                                                                  
 the issue.  Representative Croft asked if DNR has a  property                                                                  
 tax model.   Mr. Porter  responded that  property tax  issues                                                                  
 are not  DNR's responsibility.    He described  three  models                                                                  
 used  in  the  evaluation  process,  which  continue   to  be                                                                  
 revised.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 3:14:47 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7(e) Capital                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority increased                                                                        
      workload for gas pipeline                                                                                                 
                                                  $2,170.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Taylor related  that the  money would go  to two  project                                                                  
 positions and additional  contractual costs  related to  spur                                                                  
 line work.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Chenault  inquired about the  feasibility of  Liquid                                                                  
 Natural Gas (LNG) in Cook Inlet.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 Mr.  Porter   pointed  out   that  currently   there  is   an                                                                  
 operational LNG plant in  Cook Inlet, and the possibility  of                                                                  
 expansion  is  being  looked  into.    He  talked  about  the                                                                  
 benefits of  exporting gas,  which results  in lower  tariffs                                                                  
 and costs.   There  is the  possibility of  a new  plant  and                                                                  
 expansion of the old plant after the market is analyzed.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Chenault noted that the total amount of funding  for                                                                  
 the project could be discussed at a later time.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Kelly  asked how scope,  schedule, budget  and                                                                  
 invoice control is  being done.  Mr.  Porter deferred to  the                                                                  
 Department of Law.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Daughhetee explained  how negotiations in the department                                                                   
 work and how  reviews are  done.  She  described the  project                                                                  
 management  process.    Ms.  Daughhetee,  in  response  to  a                                                                  
 question by  Representative Kelly,  explained  how the  legal                                                                  
 team  works,   but  emphasized   that  Mr.   Wilson   Condon,                                                                  
 Commissioner, Department  of Revenue,  reviews  the gas  line                                                                  
 contracts and each invoice.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 3:21:53 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Mr. Porter  added that  in  a negotiation  there is  a  daily                                                                  
 review of specific deliverables and a timeframe.  This  costs                                                                  
 about $1 million  a month and the  control factor is  related                                                                  
 to the work product.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 3:23:29 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Section 12 Tax Division                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Increased tobacco tax enforcement costs for the Tobacco                                                                   
      Tax legislation passed as ch. 1, FSSLA 2004.                                                                              
                                                    $395.5 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Taylor related  that the legislature  passed a bill  that                                                                  
 increased  the  tobacco   tax  rate  and  changed  licensing                                                                   
 requirements.  DOR  has been implementing  the provisions  in                                                                  
 the new law  and have hired  additional personnel, including                                                                   
 enforcement personnel.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Representative   Hawker   indicated   that   in   20   recent                                                                  
 inspections,  16   out  of   20  were   dealing  in   illegal                                                                  
 cigarettes.  He asked if that is a fair assessment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 LARRY MEYER,  DEPUTY DIRECTOR,  TAX DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                  
 REVENUE, replied  that  unstamped products  have  been  found                                                                  
 during  the inspections.    He  implied  that  more  consumer                                                                  
 education is needed.   Representative  Hawker asked if  there                                                                  
 was intentional  bootleg activity.   Mr.  Meyer  termed it  a                                                                  
 quality  control issue,  and  suggested  that  more  merchant                                                                  
 education  is needed.    Representative  Hawker  inquired  if                                                                  
 there  is  a  problem  with  the  stampers  not  functioning                                                                   
 correctly.   Mr. Meyers  replied  that the  machine  requires                                                                  
 calibration.  Representative Hawker clarified that there  are                                                                  
 not massive  violations,  but  equipment  malfunction.    Mr.                                                                  
 Meyer agreed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Hawker  asked if any of  the inspections  have                                                                  
 involved intentional  violations.   Mr. Meyers  replied  that                                                                  
 there  may  be   one  or  two,  but   the  investigation   is                                                                  
 continuing.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Taylor  suggested  that the  issues are  being addressed                                                                   
 with the large  sellers of tobacco,  and the smaller  sellers                                                                  
 would be investigated shortly.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Kelly  asked if  the tax  gets collected  when                                                                  
 the product is  misstamped.  Mr. Meyers  replied that only  a                                                                  
 few are misstamped products and most are in compliance.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 3:29:52 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Hawker suggested  that the distributor has  to                                                                  
 buy the  stamps from  the  state and  implied that  a  person                                                                  
 could set  the machine  to  circumvent the  Stamp Act.    Mr.                                                                  
 Meyers agreed it  was a possibility.   Representative  Hawker                                                                  
 emphasized concern about that.  Ms. Taylor requested  support                                                                  
 for increased enforcement.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 3:31:28 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Section 14(a) Marine Vessel Operations                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Fuel cost increases and other increased operating                                                                         
      costs.                                                                                                                    
                                         $12,000.0 AMHS FUNDS                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                   
 DEPARTMENT   OF   TRANSPORTATION   AND   PUBLIC  FACILITIES,                                                                   
 explained the  $10 million  request  for the  Marine  Highway                                                                  
 Authority for fuel cost increases, weekly operating  costs of                                                                  
 new ferries,  overhaul  costs,  risk  management  costs,  and                                                                  
 increase marketing campaign costs.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Section 14(b) Central Region Highways and Aviation                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      King Salmon airport - prior year invoices outstanding                                                                     
      for air traffic control costs.                                                                                            
                                                     $44.5 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Slagle explained  a need for the  King Salmon airport  to                                                                  
 continue operation of  a control tower.   The costs are  from                                                                  
 FY 04.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Chenault asked  if it was for  extended hours.   Ms.                                                                  
 Slagle replied no.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Section 14(c) Program Development                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Legal costs  for defense of  SB 260,  which changed  the                                                                  
      membership make up of the policy board for metropolitan                                                                   
      planning organizations.                                                                                                   
                                                     $85.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Slagle spoke  of a lawsuit and  legal costs involving  SB
 260.  Ms. Slagle noted that these requests are projects  that                                                                  
 are ready to go and there are timing issues involved.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 3:36:53 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 COURT SYSTEM                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Section 16 Trial Courts                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Therapeutic  court  funding  coming  from  NCADD  $18.9,                                                                  
      Technical Improvement grant  from Alaska Legal  Services                                                                  
      $18.1,  Youth  for  Justice  grant  $7.5  and  Color  of                                                                  
      Justice grant $5.0.                                                                                                       
                                                   $49.5 SDPR                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 CHRIS CHRISTENSEN,  DEPUTY  ADMINISTRATIVE  DIRECTOR,  ALASKA                                                                  
 COURT SYSTEM, noted  that the request is  for an increase  in                                                                  
 the Alaska  Court System's  authority  to offer  grants:  For                                                                  
 Youth For  Justice,  Color  of Justice  Grant,  Alaska  Legal                                                                  
 Services for installation  of computers, and Juneau  Wellness                                                                  
 Court.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Chenault closed testimony on HB 135.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 HB  135  was  heard  and   HELD  in  Committee  for   further                                                                  
 consideration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 3:39:52 PM                                                                                                                   
 HOUSE BILL NO. 134                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      "An  Act   making  supplemental,   capital,  and   other                                                                  
      appropriations,    and    reappropriations;     amending                                                                  
      appropriations;  making  appropriations  to  capitalize                                                                   
      funds;  making an  appropriation  under  art.  IX,  sec.                                                                  
      17(c), Constitution  of the  State of  Alaska, from  the                                                                  
      constitutional budget  reserve fund;  and providing  for                                                                  
      an effective date."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Section 1 d Public Defender Agency                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      Projected annual caseload increase - PD was reappointed                                                                   
      to  several  hundred  old  cases  associated  with   the                                                                  
      Blakely decision  which  rendered  some aspects  of  the                                                                  
      State     of      Alaska's     sentencing     framework                                                                   
      unconstitutional.  Also,  increases in travel to  remote                                                                  
      courts,  expert  witness,  discovery  and  file  storage                                                                  
      costs.  Funding   of  $24.9   in  General  Fund/Program                                                                   
      Receipts  is from  the  Dept. of  Law  from collections                                                                   
      under Criminal  Rule 39 and  Appellate Rule  209.   Also                                                                  
      includes Therapeutic court  funding coming from  federal                                                                  
      funds received by  the National  Council on Alcohol  and                                                                  
      Drug Dependency and allocated to State agencies.                                                                          
                                    $887.2 GF; $20.0 SDPR                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 BARBARA  BRINK,  DIRECTOR,   PUBLIC  DEFENDER  AGENCY,   (via                                                                  
 teleconference), explained that the request for supplemental                                                                   
 funds is based on caseload and workload increases, which  are                                                                  
 out of the Public Defender Agency's control.  The percentage                                                                   
 of increase in caseloads is  9 percent this year, over  2,000                                                                  
 more cases than last year,  primarily because of the  Blakely                                                                  
 decision.  There is also  an increase of 2,300 more  Superior                                                                  
 Court felony  filings  than last  year,  which are  the  most                                                                  
 time-consuming, cost-intensive  cases.   The Public  Defender                                                                  
 Agency has also  picked up some cases  previously handled  by                                                                  
 the Office of Public Advocacy.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 3:43:18 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Section 1 c Office of Public Advocacy                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Projected annual  caseload  increase  - Because  of  the                                                                  
      difficulty in projecting case types and costs 18  months                                                                  
      in advance,  OPA has  historically funded  the  workload                                                                  
      and    caseload    increases    through    supplemental                                                                   
      appropriations.      Funding   of   $25.0   in   General                                                                  
      Fund/Program Receipts  is  from the  Dept. of  Law  from                                                                  
      collections under  Criminal Rule 39  and Appellate  Rule                                                                  
      209.                                                                                                                      
                                                    $600.0 GF                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 JOSH FINK, PUBLIC ADVOCATE,  OFFICE OF PUBLIC ADVOCACY,  (via                                                                  
 teleconference),  pointed  out  that  the  Office  of  Public                                                                  
 Advocacy is experiencing similar caseload increases.   Felony                                                                  
 filings in Anchorage are up by 76 percent for the first  half                                                                  
 of the year, and  up 32 percent statewide.   Mr. Fink  opined                                                                  
 that the requested supplemental  would amount to a  hold-the-                                                                  
 line budget.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Meyer  asked where  the caseloads  are coming  from.                                                                  
 Mr. Fink explained how the court assigns cases.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Hawker,  addressing the question  to both  Mr.                                                                  
 Fink and Ms. Brink, asked  for a reason behind the increase.                                                                   
 Ms.  Brink said  that  she  believes  more  cases  are  being                                                                  
 prosecuted, and that  crime is not going  up.  She explained                                                                   
 that  there  are  newly   funded  positions,  more   district                                                                  
 attorneys and prosecutors, and more troopers making  arrests,                                                                  
 which leads to more cases.  Representative Hawker asked  what                                                                  
 types of cases are being prosecuted more.  Ms. Brink replied                                                                   
 that she was not able to answer that question.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 HB 134 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                             
 consideration.                                                                                                                 
 ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 The meeting was adjourned at 3:48 PM                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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